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		<title>By: iantimothy</title>
		<link>http://ian.onthereddot.com/2008/10/20/the-singapore-government-is-not-corrupt/comment-page-1/#comment-8321</link>
		<dc:creator>iantimothy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Mar 2009 12:45:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@whitedusk - you just revealed how old you are with that song. :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@whitedusk &#8211; you just revealed how old you are with that song. <img src='http://ian.onthereddot.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: whitedusk</title>
		<link>http://ian.onthereddot.com/2008/10/20/the-singapore-government-is-not-corrupt/comment-page-1/#comment-8320</link>
		<dc:creator>whitedusk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Mar 2009 09:02:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To Daniel: Sorry I haven&#039;t been reading up on the news in Singapore but I heard that they have stopped the pay raise for government officials?

Actually most of the work got caught up with the melamine case. After the revelation, I think the AVA in Singapore found it in more products faster than most countries in and around the region. 

Government make mistakes~ The Chinese, the Americans, the Singaporeans... we are all embroiled in this financial crisis. 

Together now~ &quot;We are the world~~~~&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To Daniel: Sorry I haven&#8217;t been reading up on the news in Singapore but I heard that they have stopped the pay raise for government officials?</p>
<p>Actually most of the work got caught up with the melamine case. After the revelation, I think the AVA in Singapore found it in more products faster than most countries in and around the region. </p>
<p>Government make mistakes~ The Chinese, the Americans, the Singaporeans&#8230; we are all embroiled in this financial crisis. </p>
<p>Together now~ &#8220;We are the world~~~~&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel Ling</title>
		<link>http://ian.onthereddot.com/2008/10/20/the-singapore-government-is-not-corrupt/comment-page-1/#comment-7928</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniel Ling</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2008 02:18:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Glad to find more interesting reads.

I feel tat they should be paid well enough. But when times are bad or when there&#039;s under performing, likewise there should be pay cuts.

But seems like another raise is on the way, but may not be tat high. But still a raise non the less.

http://www.straitstimes.com/Breaking+News/Singapore/Story/STIStory_294341.html

Notice that the Bonus is peck to Growth of GDP, current forecast is 3% but if we move back a bit, let&#039;s recall the Reason for GST 7%? it was due to a low forecast of economy which later turn out to be wrong (The Forecast) which resulted in Budget Surplus and subsequent pad on backs and pay raise. =D

Might happen again? Maybe

To 1. whitedusk
I think melamine came to SG and was detected late although they are high paid. Dun ve the links to prove it, sorry.

But not entirely our controls fault as China announce it only after Olympics. BUT our controls failed to control and detect. So yes, our control is still at fault.

I prefer Low Pay and melamine in milk rather than High Pay and melamine in milk. =(</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Glad to find more interesting reads.</p>
<p>I feel tat they should be paid well enough. But when times are bad or when there&#8217;s under performing, likewise there should be pay cuts.</p>
<p>But seems like another raise is on the way, but may not be tat high. But still a raise non the less.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.straitstimes.com/Breaking+News/Singapore/Story/STIStory_294341.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.straitstimes.com/Breaking+News/Singapore/Story/STIStory_294341.html</a></p>
<p>Notice that the Bonus is peck to Growth of GDP, current forecast is 3% but if we move back a bit, let&#8217;s recall the Reason for GST 7%? it was due to a low forecast of economy which later turn out to be wrong (The Forecast) which resulted in Budget Surplus and subsequent pad on backs and pay raise. =D</p>
<p>Might happen again? Maybe</p>
<p>To 1. whitedusk<br />
I think melamine came to SG and was detected late although they are high paid. Dun ve the links to prove it, sorry.</p>
<p>But not entirely our controls fault as China announce it only after Olympics. BUT our controls failed to control and detect. So yes, our control is still at fault.</p>
<p>I prefer Low Pay and melamine in milk rather than High Pay and melamine in milk. =(</p>
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		<title>By: The Singapore Daily &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Weekly Roundup: Week 43</title>
		<link>http://ian.onthereddot.com/2008/10/20/the-singapore-government-is-not-corrupt/comment-page-1/#comment-7921</link>
		<dc:creator>The Singapore Daily &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Weekly Roundup: Week 43</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Oct 2008 03:45:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Discourse - Ian On The Red Dot: The Singapore Government Is Not Corrupt - Chee Wai&#8217;s Random Musings: Ridiculous Rules! - Diary of A Singaporean Mind: SM Goh : [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Kaffein</title>
		<link>http://ian.onthereddot.com/2008/10/20/the-singapore-government-is-not-corrupt/comment-page-1/#comment-7917</link>
		<dc:creator>Kaffein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Oct 2008 02:24:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If I get my brother/kaki to audit my company accounts and also pass a law that he can do so...

Am I corrupt?

Perspective.

Kaffein</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If I get my brother/kaki to audit my company accounts and also pass a law that he can do so&#8230;</p>
<p>Am I corrupt?</p>
<p>Perspective.</p>
<p>Kaffein</p>
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		<title>By: iantimothy</title>
		<link>http://ian.onthereddot.com/2008/10/20/the-singapore-government-is-not-corrupt/comment-page-1/#comment-7916</link>
		<dc:creator>iantimothy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Oct 2008 16:41:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Rachel - hmmm... I think that&#039;s more specifically considered nepotism.  However, it really depends.  For example, if you only get a job position or a tender by telling everyone you are some big shot&#039;s wife and you can pull strings and all that shit, then that&#039;s probably corruption.  But you can&#039;t stop people from wanting to curry favor with you.  Of course, you can don&#039;t accept.  But even if you do accept the favor people offer to you because of your position, I don&#039;t think that&#039;s corruption.  To be honest, I actually think our leaders and their family members try to be as careful as possible in such situations.  Social standing can be a great advantage - I think the line between maximizing that advantage and abusing it is very very thin.  Frankly, I won&#039;t know how to draw the line by giving hypothetical scenarios.

@Alan Wong - I see your point.  I rather them be upfront about how much they are getting (although it may be distasteful) then do shit behind the people&#039;s back.

I really do not think there is enough noble people around who will sacrifice for the country by serving with little compensation at least for now because public service has become a career and not a calling.

@hubris - I got to ask him that when I see him.

@whitedusk - rich or poor, I just want them to be honest and competent.  How things in HK at this period of time with the economic crisis?  You doing well?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Rachel &#8211; hmmm&#8230; I think that&#8217;s more specifically considered nepotism.  However, it really depends.  For example, if you only get a job position or a tender by telling everyone you are some big shot&#8217;s wife and you can pull strings and all that shit, then that&#8217;s probably corruption.  But you can&#8217;t stop people from wanting to curry favor with you.  Of course, you can don&#8217;t accept.  But even if you do accept the favor people offer to you because of your position, I don&#8217;t think that&#8217;s corruption.  To be honest, I actually think our leaders and their family members try to be as careful as possible in such situations.  Social standing can be a great advantage &#8211; I think the line between maximizing that advantage and abusing it is very very thin.  Frankly, I won&#8217;t know how to draw the line by giving hypothetical scenarios.</p>
<p>@Alan Wong &#8211; I see your point.  I rather them be upfront about how much they are getting (although it may be distasteful) then do shit behind the people&#8217;s back.</p>
<p>I really do not think there is enough noble people around who will sacrifice for the country by serving with little compensation at least for now because public service has become a career and not a calling.</p>
<p>@hubris &#8211; I got to ask him that when I see him.</p>
<p>@whitedusk &#8211; rich or poor, I just want them to be honest and competent.  How things in HK at this period of time with the economic crisis?  You doing well?</p>
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		<title>By: Alan Wong</title>
		<link>http://ian.onthereddot.com/2008/10/20/the-singapore-government-is-not-corrupt/comment-page-1/#comment-7913</link>
		<dc:creator>Alan Wong</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Oct 2008 13:48:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The Singapore government does whatever it can to gain money and influence to maintain power and while in power only serves the interest of those supporters that had lend their influence and contributed to the personal coffers&quot; 

This describes exactly how I feel about our current Govt lead by PAP leaders who always professes that &quot;Everything is above board&quot;.

But one thing they never tell you is that what they actually pay themselves include a significant portion for being &quot;incorrupt&quot; ie they are &quot;paid&quot; for losing the opportunity to be corrupt which rightfully should entail no compensation.  It&#039;s should be part of the public service that is expected from them. After all they also enjoy a lot of other benefits,  both tangible and intangible.

So you decide for yourself whether our PAP leaders are corrupt or not for paying themselves for something that should not be compensated!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The Singapore government does whatever it can to gain money and influence to maintain power and while in power only serves the interest of those supporters that had lend their influence and contributed to the personal coffers&#8221; </p>
<p>This describes exactly how I feel about our current Govt lead by PAP leaders who always professes that &#8220;Everything is above board&#8221;.</p>
<p>But one thing they never tell you is that what they actually pay themselves include a significant portion for being &#8220;incorrupt&#8221; ie they are &#8220;paid&#8221; for losing the opportunity to be corrupt which rightfully should entail no compensation.  It&#8217;s should be part of the public service that is expected from them. After all they also enjoy a lot of other benefits,  both tangible and intangible.</p>
<p>So you decide for yourself whether our PAP leaders are corrupt or not for paying themselves for something that should not be compensated!</p>
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		<title>By: Rachel Chung</title>
		<link>http://ian.onthereddot.com/2008/10/20/the-singapore-government-is-not-corrupt/comment-page-1/#comment-7912</link>
		<dc:creator>Rachel Chung</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Oct 2008 06:46:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How about the spouses who ride on the ministerial name for their businesses? Is that considered corruption?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How about the spouses who ride on the ministerial name for their businesses? Is that considered corruption?</p>
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		<title>By: hubris</title>
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		<dc:creator>hubris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Oct 2008 04:18:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your American colleague is probably a Republican.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your American colleague is probably a Republican.</p>
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		<title>By: The Singapore Daily &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Daily SG: 20 Oct 2008</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Singapore Daily &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Daily SG: 20 Oct 2008</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Oct 2008 03:44:21 +0000</pubDate>
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