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		<title>By: iantimothy</title>
		<link>http://ian.onthereddot.com/2008/08/06/we-celebrate-mediocrity-we-allow-our-opposition-too-much-leeway/comment-page-1/#comment-6398</link>
		<dc:creator>iantimothy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Aug 2008 10:17:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>huh?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>huh?</p>
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		<title>By: nocturne</title>
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		<dc:creator>nocturne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Aug 2008 09:43:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dammit. Say something.

I DON&#039;T NEED YOUR CHARITY!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dammit. Say something.</p>
<p>I DON&#8217;T NEED YOUR CHARITY!</p>
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		<title>By: nocturne</title>
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		<dc:creator>nocturne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Aug 2008 06:55:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A Last Word after the Last Word just loses so much of it&#039;s impact.

Good reply on the dark side.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A Last Word after the Last Word just loses so much of it&#8217;s impact.</p>
<p>Good reply on the dark side.</p>
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		<title>By: The Singapore Daily &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Daily SG: 7 Aug 2008</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Singapore Daily &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Daily SG: 7 Aug 2008</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Aug 2008 04:09:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Fixating the Opposition - Diary of A Singaporean Mind: Why there should be no by-election in Jurong GRC&#8230; - nocturne.noctalis: [Living in Sin] The Opposition In Real Life - Ian On The Red Dot: We Celebrate Mediocrity - We Allow Our Opposition Too Much Leeway [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Fixating the Opposition &#8211; Diary of A Singaporean Mind: Why there should be no by-election in Jurong GRC&#8230; &#8211; nocturne.noctalis: [Living in Sin] The Opposition In Real Life &#8211; Ian On The Red Dot: We Celebrate Mediocrity &#8211; We Allow Our Opposition Too Much Leeway [...]</p>
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		<title>By: iantimothy</title>
		<link>http://ian.onthereddot.com/2008/08/06/we-celebrate-mediocrity-we-allow-our-opposition-too-much-leeway/comment-page-1/#comment-6379</link>
		<dc:creator>iantimothy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Aug 2008 04:03:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>and if you are wondering, i&#039;m giving one last comment for you to get another last word.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>and if you are wondering, i&#8217;m giving one last comment for you to get another last word.</p>
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		<title>By: iantimothy</title>
		<link>http://ian.onthereddot.com/2008/08/06/we-celebrate-mediocrity-we-allow-our-opposition-too-much-leeway/comment-page-1/#comment-6378</link>
		<dc:creator>iantimothy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Aug 2008 04:02:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>well @nocturne, yes..that&#039;s the problems with analogies....

hmmmm... about the unrealistic expectations, at least for me, while I still do not concede the expectations are unrealistic, I wouldn&#039;t had these expectations if not for all the rhetoric that the opposition have spoken.  At least that&#039;s the way I hear what they say.

I also won&#039;t have expected more from these individuals if they hadn&#039;t stepped into the spotlight as politicians and asked to be counted and given a chance.

But that&#039;s just me.  Apparently, lots of people are feeling differently and I guess since things have been so dandy and fine, that&#039;s the way we should like it and keep it.

About being snide...and being on the dark side.  I was always here.  Just that since it was dark, you couldn&#039;t see me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>well @nocturne, yes..that&#8217;s the problems with analogies&#8230;.</p>
<p>hmmmm&#8230; about the unrealistic expectations, at least for me, while I still do not concede the expectations are unrealistic, I wouldn&#8217;t had these expectations if not for all the rhetoric that the opposition have spoken.  At least that&#8217;s the way I hear what they say.</p>
<p>I also won&#8217;t have expected more from these individuals if they hadn&#8217;t stepped into the spotlight as politicians and asked to be counted and given a chance.</p>
<p>But that&#8217;s just me.  Apparently, lots of people are feeling differently and I guess since things have been so dandy and fine, that&#8217;s the way we should like it and keep it.</p>
<p>About being snide&#8230;and being on the dark side.  I was always here.  Just that since it was dark, you couldn&#8217;t see me.</p>
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		<title>By: iantimothy</title>
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		<dc:creator>iantimothy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Aug 2008 03:30:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmmm... I would hardly call the current stage they are in the &#039;before they can start&#039; phase.

I&#039;m not saying they should be exposed to the hot scorching sun and grow on their own.  I&#039;m saying they should have already knew the environment was a hot scorching sun with parched land, and they chose to grow here without a plan besides complaining about why the environment wasn&#039;t a lush well irrigated grassland.

Having said that, the opposition in my books hasn&#039;t been killed by me or anyone for that matter.  We really aren&#039;t that powerful.  They can only kill themselves.

Which, incidentally, if you see Singapore&#039;s history, they couldn&#039;t even cooperate effectively for a sustained period of time against the PAP.

But if you are talking about offering them a chance to run my constituency, well, I haven&#039;t had the chance to vote and assess the potential candidates.  Wonder why....

But again, you are right.  They are facing a talent shortage.

Your line about how &#039;they approach that, shouldn&#039;t be determined by either of us - you, me nor the Tali-PAP&#039; is funny.  Who is determining anything for them?  Like what you and me do, as well as other bloggers, with regards to other issues and not just this, we are just offering our opinion what could, and maybe should, be done.

We may be right.  We may be wrong.  But just like how we like the government to listen and consider what we feel and think, maybe we should expect the opposition to do so.

We can&#039;t expect any differently from them.

And yes, I do expect them to have a plan to eventually run the country.  Maybe not in five years, or ten years, but eventually.  They might have a plan.  Who knows.  I&#039;m not within their ranks.  And you could be right, their current strategy might work.  Prove they can make it at the township level and then go on.  But how many years before the rest of us think they are probably just satisfied with the way things are.

Think about it.  How long has Mr Chiam See Tong and Mr Low Thia Khiang been the MP for their respective constituencies?

They might even be doing stuff that really helps Singapore now in their own capacity as individuals and in a political party beyond the standard fare.  But as a potential voter, I don&#039;t see it.  

Don&#039;t you think that&#039;s a problem?  I consider myself average in trying to find these sort of things out, and yet I don&#039;t see anything.  Even if their message is good, one needs to wonder about the delivery to the average voter cos I think we make up the potential base.

Oh well... since you said this was your last absofuckinglutely last comment about this matter, I&#039;ll just stop here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmm&#8230; I would hardly call the current stage they are in the &#8216;before they can start&#8217; phase.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not saying they should be exposed to the hot scorching sun and grow on their own.  I&#8217;m saying they should have already knew the environment was a hot scorching sun with parched land, and they chose to grow here without a plan besides complaining about why the environment wasn&#8217;t a lush well irrigated grassland.</p>
<p>Having said that, the opposition in my books hasn&#8217;t been killed by me or anyone for that matter.  We really aren&#8217;t that powerful.  They can only kill themselves.</p>
<p>Which, incidentally, if you see Singapore&#8217;s history, they couldn&#8217;t even cooperate effectively for a sustained period of time against the PAP.</p>
<p>But if you are talking about offering them a chance to run my constituency, well, I haven&#8217;t had the chance to vote and assess the potential candidates.  Wonder why&#8230;.</p>
<p>But again, you are right.  They are facing a talent shortage.</p>
<p>Your line about how &#8216;they approach that, shouldn&#8217;t be determined by either of us &#8211; you, me nor the Tali-PAP&#8217; is funny.  Who is determining anything for them?  Like what you and me do, as well as other bloggers, with regards to other issues and not just this, we are just offering our opinion what could, and maybe should, be done.</p>
<p>We may be right.  We may be wrong.  But just like how we like the government to listen and consider what we feel and think, maybe we should expect the opposition to do so.</p>
<p>We can&#8217;t expect any differently from them.</p>
<p>And yes, I do expect them to have a plan to eventually run the country.  Maybe not in five years, or ten years, but eventually.  They might have a plan.  Who knows.  I&#8217;m not within their ranks.  And you could be right, their current strategy might work.  Prove they can make it at the township level and then go on.  But how many years before the rest of us think they are probably just satisfied with the way things are.</p>
<p>Think about it.  How long has Mr Chiam See Tong and Mr Low Thia Khiang been the MP for their respective constituencies?</p>
<p>They might even be doing stuff that really helps Singapore now in their own capacity as individuals and in a political party beyond the standard fare.  But as a potential voter, I don&#8217;t see it.  </p>
<p>Don&#8217;t you think that&#8217;s a problem?  I consider myself average in trying to find these sort of things out, and yet I don&#8217;t see anything.  Even if their message is good, one needs to wonder about the delivery to the average voter cos I think we make up the potential base.</p>
<p>Oh well&#8230; since you said this was your last absofuckinglutely last comment about this matter, I&#8217;ll just stop here.</p>
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		<title>By: nocturne</title>
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		<dc:creator>nocturne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Aug 2008 03:21:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe the opposition appreciates the irony of disappointing those who don&#039;t make excuses for them by not living up to unrealistic expectations.

A national plan for almost anything is nowhere near the relative simplicity of a project tender.

I see you&#039;ve turned snide too. Welcome to the dark side.

Is everybody done with their last comments? If so, this is my last comment. 1UP for Last Word -

HEAD SHOT!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe the opposition appreciates the irony of disappointing those who don&#8217;t make excuses for them by not living up to unrealistic expectations.</p>
<p>A national plan for almost anything is nowhere near the relative simplicity of a project tender.</p>
<p>I see you&#8217;ve turned snide too. Welcome to the dark side.</p>
<p>Is everybody done with their last comments? If so, this is my last comment. 1UP for Last Word -</p>
<p>HEAD SHOT!</p>
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		<title>By: xizor2000</title>
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		<dc:creator>xizor2000</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Aug 2008 02:57:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have hold this for very long and let me put this in plan words for you.

1) This is the ideal for the opposition - Take power.

2) The reality now for them to overcome - They have not enough people to contest. They need to gain more trust.

My point is that they look at the reality - and deal with the talent problem, and make sure they are trusted enough to even be elected. How they approach that, shouldn&#039;t be determined by either of us - you, me nor the Tali-PAP.

In short, my view is that the pre-requisite in getting elected should be a plan to run the constituency they contest and provide credible and qualified administrators at the township level. My impression of your view is that you demand for a plan to run the country when they aren&#039;t even there. That is absurd.

It&#039;s even more absurd to say &#039;we&#039; make excuses for them. From my perspective it is YOU that kills them even before they can start. When I ask for just a bit of water so the plant can sprout and grow, you said that they should just be exposed to the hot scorching sun and grow on their own. 

And this will be my absofxxkinglutely last comment about this matter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have hold this for very long and let me put this in plan words for you.</p>
<p>1) This is the ideal for the opposition &#8211; Take power.</p>
<p>2) The reality now for them to overcome &#8211; They have not enough people to contest. They need to gain more trust.</p>
<p>My point is that they look at the reality &#8211; and deal with the talent problem, and make sure they are trusted enough to even be elected. How they approach that, shouldn&#8217;t be determined by either of us &#8211; you, me nor the Tali-PAP.</p>
<p>In short, my view is that the pre-requisite in getting elected should be a plan to run the constituency they contest and provide credible and qualified administrators at the township level. My impression of your view is that you demand for a plan to run the country when they aren&#8217;t even there. That is absurd.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s even more absurd to say &#8216;we&#8217; make excuses for them. From my perspective it is YOU that kills them even before they can start. When I ask for just a bit of water so the plant can sprout and grow, you said that they should just be exposed to the hot scorching sun and grow on their own. </p>
<p>And this will be my absofxxkinglutely last comment about this matter.</p>
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		<title>By: Ian On The Red Dot :: Not Really Posting, Just Exercising The Right To Reply</title>
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