So, a blogger who allegedly wrote some racist stuff on his blog was arrested by the police.
Why?
No, seriously, why?
Is it because of what he wrote or because someone complained. Or both.
I mean, say a police officer stumbled onto the blog, would he think it was worthy of an arrest?
Or is it because apparently two people complained and the police had to be seen to be doing something?
Or, is it because he seems damn gay. Ok, sorry, I couldn’t resist, but maybe got extra bonus if you can charge someone for breaking more than one law. Which of course isn’t how our police works. Ignore this paragraph.
Anyway, that’s not the point of this post. The point of this post is to say I think bloggers should be allowed to be as racist as much asthey want possible. I mean, has anyone actually read what he wrote. If you haven’t, go to tomorrow.sg and read it and then come back here.
Ok. Hello. Thanks for returning.
Now, far from me to want to defend what he says, but if there is a scale of racist shit spewed by bigoted unenlightened individuals, where is what he wrote on the scale.
To me, the stuff he says isn’t any worse that what I sometimes hear in a cab, on the bus, at the coffeeshop, in the toilet, during reservist …
Basically, lots of people say lots of stupid shit like this all the time. Yes, there are a lot of people with racist tendencies. Sad. True. That’s life.
Now, we shouldn’t tolerate such people and their vile deplorable words, you say. We shouldn’t allow such inane ramblings to defile the pristine environment we have and strike discord in our racially harmonious society.
Wait a minute. We are a racially harmonious society? Or a racially tolerant one? I would say the latter.
But where am I going with all this.
Firstly, arresting bloggers who are racist and say stupid racist stuff just because they are so visible doesn’t help make Singapore more harmonious nor more tolerant.
This racist people are just going to still be racist. The people who read his blog and AGREE are still going to be racist.
I mean, what do you think this guy is thinking now. I’m not sure. But if I attempt to use my super psychic slightly below Xavier mind reading ability, out of all the incoherence in his thoughts, I might get something like this:
Damn that stupid malay. If he never sit on the floor, and never let me see him, then I wouldn’t have blogged about stupid malays and then I wouldn’t have kenna complained and get arrested. Sian lah. CB. Must be two malays complain about me. I knew it lah. Stupid idiots. Cannot take joke.
I don’t know. I might be exaggerating. But my point is this – you may take the racism out of a blog, but you ain’t going to take the racist out of a blogger.
The truth is this. For now, racism isn’t going to disappear. It might never. We live in a world where increasingly more people are competing for less resources. It isn’t easy to find a target to put the blame on, and physical attributes and stereotypes are our best friends as we grapple to find something or someone to pin all blame on.
Is it any wonder Hitler was able to incite so much hatred against the Jews during a period of economic turmoil in Germany’s history.
Trying to remove racism from Singaporean blogs only does one thing – it causes racism to retreat to the darker corners of our society, where unseen, it festers and grows into some big malignant cancerous lump that is even harder to remove. And one day, it will explode in our face, pus covering all of us.
The best way to remove racism is to put it out in the light and let it wither and die under the glaring heat of public scrutiny.
Have faith in us. I mean, seriously, after the post got tomorrowed, I think the community did all right in taking that guy down.
And here is the thing – you know what is worse than the noise of your enemies?
The silence of your friends.
During this incident, the friends were most certainly not silent. I would say a majority of people online disagreed and were vocal about it. Maybe some were a bit extreme, but there was evidence that while racism may still exist in Singapore and online, there are those among us who are becoming more enlightened.
I know we want to prevent people’s feelings from being hurt. But you know what, the reaction of the rest of the blogosphere should have given those who had cause for complain a warm fuzzy feeling. One idiot said something stupid, everyone else came to correct him.
But, but, those who want censorship and more control might say, what about those who might be swayed to be racist or that racist blog becomes a rallying point for other racists.
I say, the racists will always be able to find other racists. Those borderline cases, have an easier time not becoming racists when the friends speak out against the enemies of racial harmony.
Here is the thing. You can never keep the enemies quiet. They will always have some piece of shit to say. The only thing you might be able to control is where they say it, but these racist ideas will still get spread.
The trick then is not to silence the enemies, but drown out their noise. Preferably with the words of support from friends.
What we need is not to stop an idea, but to spread a better one.
Finally, there is a difference between saying racist shit and inciting hatred and action against a particular race.
Update:What is the difference? If a blog says all XXX members of a race are idiots, and then go on to say XXX members of a race should be exterminated and call for other people to join in some sort of persecution, then I think a line has been crossed.

Hisham Juzzywuzzy | 22-May-08 at 9:04 am | Permalink
Friends have asked me about his remarks and my reply have always been the same. Compared to the first 2 bloggers charged, FragrantPrince’s is pretty mild.
It is, as you said, the common things that people spew on the streets or in the cab.
Certainly, ethnic tensions as portrayed during the racial riots in the 60s are not inherent now as it was. You can say the law is responsible for that; for others, the pain of going through that stage is ample reminder of how bad it may go.
When I posted my opinion on this matter, my concern was not so much about the state of affairs of the blogger himself. My concern was the impact this will have on the G13 proposal to the Government (Link: http://community.livejournal.com/sg_ljers/1333994.html ).
It may be that since it is so hard to control the thoughts, the actions of blogging itself may be regulated. That will definitely go against the free-spirited flow that most bloggers have.
I have to thank you for putting a different angle to this issue. No one may have the right answers to everything, but everyone should contribute towards that answer.
motd | 22-May-08 at 9:12 am | Permalink
Bloggers can chose to be as racist as possible but not when he/she is in Singapore.
I am sure there are tons of racist stuff posted online by some unhappy Singaporeans but don’t forget our government takes racist remarks seriously. Be it a harmless joke or not.
Do whatever you want just don’t get caught. It only takes a complain before the government takes action.
Ed | 22-May-08 at 9:39 am | Permalink
I guess pinning down this blogger isn’t the end of the story, even though the other aspect of it played out as a reminder to the rest of the community.
Sure, we can shut down a blog. If I am a racist against our malay friends for example (which my malay friends/neighbours know I am not), I refuse to sit beside a malay in the MRT/bus? I refuse to walk within 1m of any malay I see on the street? I refuse to confuse any food that says Halal? The only difference is, these are not verbally communicated but are these any less vicious than what we read in a blog? It will leave racism to other parts of our everyday life which will be even tougher to legitimately prove in the Court of Law.
While I agree that such a blogger should be charged as a warning to the rest, I feel it’s not everything. Perhaps, providing a platform for him and the opposing community to debate over the issue may alter some misconceptions that have grown in him. On the other end, educating the “victimized” community on how to handle racism is beneficial too.
iantimothy | 22-May-08 at 9:51 am | Permalink
Hello guys. Thanks for sharing your thoughts. Juzzywuzzy, I actually read your post before I wrote mine. In a way, it helped steer how this post turned out.
uncle sha | 22-May-08 at 9:55 am | Permalink
My engrish not as powderful as yours in this long-winded entry, but here’s my take on your opinion … I do know from what’s right and wrong, do you?
If it isn’t curtailed, who knows what else he might have blogged
It is a pretty offending post … so you don’t think so hur
If you think otherwise, why not you try posting as he did
And we’ll see how it turns out
Yeah be a matyr, maybe you can show us and start the ’spread a better idea’ revolution you speak of earlier
iantimothy | 22-May-08 at 10:12 am | Permalink
Hmmm, hello uncle sha. Sometimes I know what’s right, sometimes I know what’s wrong. Sometimes I don’t know jackshit.
Did anything from my post make you think I think it is not offending. Dude. It is pretty obvious what I think about what he wrote.
Maybe, you could read the comment by Mr Endoh.
Why would I want to post stuff I evidently disagree with?
The “spread a better idea” ‘revolution’ is for bloggers to talk about the positive of their relationships with members of other races and show how in their own daily life, stereotypes are broken.
Dude, did you even READ my post.
Paddy Tan | 22-May-08 at 10:20 am | Permalink
Where is the end of all these that one can be as racist as they want in his own blog?
If you cant bear the pain dont do the crime. Simple as that.
If anyone can do anything in their own blog just becos it is theirs, then what is the different if it is spread beyond to doing anything in their own house just becos it is theirs?
No one can stop anyone sfrom being stupid posting nonsense on your blog but that doesnt mean that myself or other readers have to agree.
iantimothy | 22-May-08 at 10:34 am | Permalink
Hello Paddy. I agree with you. You don’t have to agree. In fact, that’s what a lot of people on the blogosphere did. They disagreed vehemently. Which to me was a good and healthy sign that maybe we can self-regulate as a community.
And, people should be able to do anything they want to do on their own blog and own house and own whatever as long as it does not infringe on the liberties of others.
Beyond offending people, hurting feelings, what sort of measurable long-lasting scars were left by his blog post?
Does it stop anyone from getting on with their life. No. It did not.
Here is the thing. I don’t get why people obsesses about how offending his post was instead of seeing the reactions of the other members of the online community and take heart.
And on the flipside, when do we stop in trying to control what people say. We might err too much on one extreme, but also too much on another.
Paddy Tan | 22-May-08 at 10:55 am | Permalink
Then perhaps you can advise me your article title ‘Bloggers Should Be Allowed To Be As Racist As Possible.’ You believe it in or?
You dont get why people are obsessed about how offending his post was, that doesnt means that others cant react to it right?
iantimothy | 22-May-08 at 11:08 am | Permalink
Sure, react to it. Be offended. I have sympathy for the feelings of those offended. I can’t say I empathize though because the stuff I have heard about Singaporean Chinese are different.
If you read my whole sentence, you will understand what I’m trying to say. We only seem to focused on seeing the negative, not the positive. And, yes, I believe there are some positives out of this episode.
Oh, do I believe in my title? Yes. I do. I used the words “as possible”. There is a reason for that.
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Paddy Tan | 22-May-08 at 11:17 am | Permalink
Nah, I am not offended by your title but more of reacting to what you wrote as to me racist is racist.. doing it on the personal blog doesnt shield anyone from anything.
Moreover, from your past articles that like to look at things differently it does give an insight of what goes into your mind and what you believe in. This I fully respect.
This is afterall the blogging scene where bloggers open up the doors for its readers to find out more about them thru the words they inked. It is a 2 way street, Ian.
iantimothy | 22-May-08 at 11:28 am | Permalink
Yup. Thanks for commenting Paddy. I actually realized after rereading my post to answer your comments that there was an inconsistency. If you see the post now, I strike out the phrase ‘as much as they want’ and replaced it ‘as much as possible’.
I don’t exactly believe in a free-for-all. But I do believe we as a society can test our limits of acceptance of all kinds of speech and prove that we as a community are responsible enough to handle stuff like what this blogger wrote.
iantimothy | 22-May-08 at 11:29 am | Permalink
Hello uncle sha again. I realized if I feel that you didn’t understand my points then really the fault should be my own. You are right. I am a bit long winded. Sigh. Got to be more concise.
Daniel | 22-May-08 at 11:48 am | Permalink
Some would say without these laws in Singapore, there will be racism run amok — there must be racists all over the place in Singapore, otherwise these laws wouldn’t be necessary to keep them in check. The US doesn’t have laws curtailing racist speech. So the US must be a less racist place than Singapore.
Edroos | 22-May-08 at 12:02 pm | Permalink
Hi there.. interesting post and most definitely will attract some knee-jerk reactions no doubt. Sensational, if I may describe this post.
In my humble opinion, I guess everyone is aware that racism, subtle or not, is rampant in our community. Be it online or not. Like you mentioned we are but a racially tolerant society. Fact that the word here is tolerant, it simply means that we acknowledge that racism occurs just that we somehow are able to tolerate it. Amazing indeed.
Perhaps the chap arrested is kinda like a ‘reminder’ (maybe scapegoat) to all of us that racism, despite tolerated is still punishable by law. Yeah, it’s dumb in a way and I totally agree with you that it’s kinda common to hear those stuff being said, across all the different races.
Guess it’s all down to bad luck that he was spotted and made to be the ‘reminder’. Surely we’ve seen and read other worst posts on other blogs as compared to this and they got away with it. Perhaps we shouldn’t be upset over the punishment over racist entries but more on the inconsistency in the way the issue is being handled.
Just my thoughts..
iantimothy | 22-May-08 at 12:36 pm | Permalink
Hello Edroos, thanks for sharing about the reminder bit. Sensational? You are probably right. This post is probably guilty of being foolishly worded too controversially.
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Anders | 22-May-08 at 12:57 pm | Permalink
Here’s another argument:
Say that we buy the rather compelling argument that dangerous speech should be silenced for the interest of the common good, then someone has to decide what we can say and what we can’t and this someone is of course the government. But the risks involved with having people with political interests decide what you can say and what you can’t say should be obvious.
A popular concept is that freedom of speech is a freedom with responsibility and we must limit this freedom to only include “responsible” speech that doesn’t offend, but on the contrary I’d like to say that we need freedom of speech exactly to protect speech that IS controversial AND offends. Uncontroversial speech that offends no one is anyway in no need of protection. Everyone, including dictators are in favor of freedom of speech that they like, so it’s exactly the offensive stuff that needs protection. Freedom just to say the uncontroversial is an absolutely worthless freedom.
So, I agree fully with Ian that we should not be afraid of the offending and stupid stuff. As he already said, when some idiot blogger spews stupid racist comments, the rest of us should be mature enough to see it as the idiocy for what it is, shine light upon it and pin it down instead of hiding it.
iantimothy | 22-May-08 at 1:00 pm | Permalink
Thanks Anders for your comment. I remember reading this argument you put forth somewhere. Did some famous politician or philosopher say it?
Ivan | 22-May-08 at 1:08 pm | Permalink
Daniel: “The US doesn’t have laws curtailing racist speech. So the US must be a less racist place than Singapore.”
I hope I didn’t misread you, but I can’t help but feel your statement is extremely naive.
Racism exists in the US (as with the rest of the world):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism_in_the_United_States
Remember this?:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ku_Klux_Klan
If US is so race-friendly, why is there a need for these?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_legislation_in_the_United_States
Granting more speech freedom does not mean one is more responsible (think CNN).
As with the racist blogger in question, do you think his parents did a great job with his up-bringing because he was free to speak whatever that’s in his mind?
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DK | 22-May-08 at 1:28 pm | Permalink
I think you are trying to say that bloggers (or anybody) has the freedom of speech. (Correct me if I’m wrong)
Indeed, everyone should have the freedom of speech. But freedom of speech does not mean freedom to be irresponsible. Racist statement is irresponsible. And supporting racist statement is even more irresponsible.
When someone make a racist statement, something must be done to prevent it from spreading. These issues are always very sensitive and should be approached with extra care. It is hard to drown the voice because arguing on racial issue will most likely create more hate between the races. The best way is to use the law to cramp down such irresponsible act.
iantimothy | 22-May-08 at 1:37 pm | Permalink
Firstly, DK, I think the answer to your comment is comment 19 above.
I agree racist statements are irresponsible. Supporting racists statements are also irresponsible. But then again, responsible to who. I digress.
However, I would presume that you are aware that I am not supporting racist statements. I think there is a difference in supporting racist statements and supporting the right for people to say it and my post has been to put forth an argument why we should just let them be and let them spew their shit.
Also, note, I make a distinction between allowing people to say racist statements and allowing people to incite action to be taken against a race or any particular demographic.
Racial issues are sensitive. I agree. I’m not advocating arguing. That is a difference between argue, discuss and debate. Plus I’m not saying we drown out the racist voice by arguing on racial issues. Gosh. Read the post. I’m saying we drown out by saying other stuff.
For example, by maybe posting about how they attended the wedding of a friend from another race and how that friend made effort to make sure the individual was comfortable and understood what was going on.
By the way, the above example is about me. My Indian friends made great effort when I went for a wedding at a temple. I should have blogged about it but didn’t cos I twittered about it and just let it be.
But my point is this. We need more of that stuff online. That’s how we drown out. Offer alternative material with regards to race.
Harphoon | 22-May-08 at 2:27 pm | Permalink
Hi Ian.
You know my friend Darkness once told me. The root of racism is based on ignorance. Ignorance breeds fear. And fear leads to false beliefs. It doesn’t matter who its directed against, Malays, Chinese, Jews or even Africans. Neither does the medium of interaction really matter either, real, virtual, office or even void deck setting.
900 years ago when a group of gamers first appeared in our game. They were called the Ottomans, a group of Algerian, Turkish and gulf gamers. Many were wary of them as their customs were unfamiliar to all of us. This was worse for the EU and US gamers who even hunted them down for fun.
My friend Darkness cultivated their friendship when those western gamers were just out to kill them off. Eventually we sold them spaceships, trained their armies and diplomats, but it was a very long haul. They were not easy to handle, but what do you expect when everyone hunts you down. So my friend Darkness taught himself Arabic. He read prolifically the Quran and even familiarized himself with all the works of the great Muslim intellectuals and poets. Eventually he won over their leaders and they came to see us in a different light.
I think the lesson here is clear. There are no short cuts. It takes effort and even imagination. If we just want to see people at just stereotypes; then all Chinese like you and me will only be unscrupulous money grabbers; all Malays are just lazy people and all Indians are drunkards, but if one takes the trouble to go deeper, then we may discover they may even be real people who can influence us see the world slightly differently from the way, we have always seen it.
This was a great lesson to me. But I don’t think it has anything to do with the internet as much of it really depends on us. I am sorry for this long mail.
Cheers!
Harphoon
Anders | 22-May-08 at 2:31 pm | Permalink
Ian,
Yes, you probably mean these quotes of Chomsky:
If you believe in freedom of speech you believe in freedom of speech for views you don’t like. Göbbels was in favour of freedom of speech for views he liked.. so was Stalin. [...] If you are in favour of freedom of speech, that means you are in favour of freedom of speech precisely for views you despise – otherwise you’re not in favour of freedom of speech.
iantimothy | 22-May-08 at 2:38 pm | Permalink
Hey Harphoon, no apologies needed. Thanks for sharing.
Thanks Anders! Will definitely google more about this guy.
vinyarb | 22-May-08 at 2:39 pm | Permalink
Hello Ian,
This is the secret police organization organised to report, capture, torture and basically eliminate racist/gaycist activity on the internet.
Consider this your final warning.
We do not like the line “he seems damn gay”. This implies that there is a templatised look as to how gays portray themselves.
Gays are the most creative type of people on this planet, and we… erm, i mean they, do not appreciate being typecasted, stereotyped, or any other form of typing.
If you do not remove this post within the next 5 years, we will do something about it.
iantimothy | 22-May-08 at 2:49 pm | Permalink
Shucks! I knew I would get in some sort of trouble cos of that line.
Edroos | 22-May-08 at 3:16 pm | Permalink
I couldn’t agree more with Harpoon’s thoughts.
Like the bit on stereotypes. Adding to that list, not all Arabs (or Muslims) are terrorists. If only we could spare more time and take some effort…
a_x | 22-May-08 at 3:17 pm | Permalink
I don’t find your post is long winded. (Your replies to the comments, however, are).
Anyway, what you’re trying to say is that instead of stopping the idea that racism is bad (racism is bad), it’s better to spread a better idea that racial harmony is good?
In theory, I agree. In theory, that’s feasible.
But in reality, people are drawn more towards a negative, captivating news title (like “Blogger arrested for racist post”…what? again?) than a positive news headline (like “Travel company plants 200 trees at Jurong Central Park”…uh, huh. Won’t bother to even find out which company it is).
loupgarou | 22-May-08 at 3:47 pm | Permalink
I hope people are allowed to be verbally as racist within limits, and that the victimised race get out of their pedestal.
otherwise – eg: danish muslim cartoons, OMG, many people died who never even saw the cartoons themselves. that’s entirely pointless and bizarre.
Aileen Nah | 22-May-08 at 3:52 pm | Permalink
I don’t think the writer is a racist. At most, he can be labelled as ‘fake elitist’. He is literaly the product of Singapore Education and he suits the system very well. He believed that Singapore is a first world country and he could not believe that a first world country like Singapore has poverty. He don’t believe that there is a group of Singaporean -middle age and low income group can be that poor. So much so that they are having problems finding jobs or could not find a job which pay them enough to feed their families. He also don’t believe that the low income group can be of any race of any Singaporean. The worst of all, he thought that Singapore has freedom of speech and expression.
Sylvester Lim | 22-May-08 at 4:47 pm | Permalink
I agree with iantimothy that we should dicuss more about racial differences. Over 4 decades of independence, how far have we come in terms of racial harmony other than not talking about it because of the possibility of sedition? I make it a point to talk with our Muslim customers about their taboos and we learn from each other. Things like why Muslims are afraid of dogs compared to cats. When we understand more about the different races, we are able to live happily with different races. Not talking about our differences essentially is not helping to build racial harmony. Unfortunately, our leaders are burden by the history of racial riots.
brian | 22-May-08 at 6:40 pm | Permalink
hey Ian,
coupla thoughts before i gotta head off:
true, arresting a blogger who publishes racist posts doesn’t tackle the root problem of racism.
BUT
when we publish, we have to be responsible for what we publish online, and it is no mere thought, or something we discuss about during reservist.. etc
for the the point is “Publish”, and he has violated a Singaporean law that stops such publications from being shared.
so for me, my point of contention is not whether racism is illegal (i mean seriously, unless you lynched someone.. but you’d be charged with causing griveous hurt as opposed to actual racism), but rather, he violated some media publishing law.
same thing with everything else on the law. it’s arguable that bigotry, racism, discourtesy are all things to do with our character, morality.. but we don’t have morality police now do we?
the law targets those that break it. i think it’s fair.
so yeah, bloggers should be allowed to be racist, just don’t publish any materials on it.
society may not allow you to be racist though.
iantimothy | 22-May-08 at 7:43 pm | Permalink
Hey Brian, true. He did break one of our laws. Maybe we should look at that law?
brian | 22-May-08 at 11:29 pm | Permalink
if a traditional media owner published racist content on their media (print, radio, tv, online..)
why should a publisher on new media be exempt from that law from the same country?
true, the server may exist in a different country outside our jurisdiction, hence his publication might not be considered needing to follow the laws of Singapore.
actually, i have no real counter to that.
readers have probably flagged his blog to blogger anyhow.. they’d be hardpressed to not shut his blog down if their ‘investigations’ prove him to be ‘racist’
ravon | 22-May-08 at 11:50 pm | Permalink
A blogger should always be responsible for what he/she comments and writes on the blog. A ‘personal’ blog is never really personal when it can be accessed by the general public so easily. Whatever is written on it has a certain impact on the readers and that is why when a blogger writes such things, he/she has be prepared to bear all consequences and risks. In other countries, such comments on other races may be tolerated by the law, but it is ultimately not a good (at least not politically correct) thing to say. I think bloggers, especially Singaporean bloggers should really blog tactfully.
iantimothy | 23-May-08 at 1:11 am | Permalink
I agree a blogger should be responsible for what they write. But we should, or maybe could, allow space for irresponsible bloggers.
We got to protect society from both ends, reduce people who are irresponsible by making them more mature, not shutting them up. And making readers more mature, not to take offense so easily. But like I said in the other post, its easier for me to say that.
Bloggers should be held accountable to what they say. The law isn’t the only way to do that.
isonchen | 23-May-08 at 5:24 am | Permalink
Like, oh my God, ya. Fragrance Prince does seem damn gay doesn’t he? I thought so too! Hahaha.
Daniel | 23-May-08 at 11:45 am | Permalink
Ivan,
I didn’t say that there wasn’t any racism in the US. Of course there is, and it is very easy to see because of the lack of laws banning racist speech (as demonstrated by your link to a racist group–there are more examples too). I merely hypothesized that the racism that now exists in the US is less severe than that in Singapore. The Singapore government claims that without these laws, society may end up in riots or there may be some kind of breakdown, fighting, chaos. The US does not have this kind of chaos. Of course there are examples of racism in the US, but no one seriously thinks that their society is about to erupt in riots or race wars. I don’t really see the point of your link showing evidence of race-based laws in 19th-century US. I only want to make the point that I believe that Americans bear less racist feelings towards each other than Singapore. The only evidence I give is that they don’t need any laws banning racists or their speech and their society still functions quite well. (Their economy outperforms ours in every metric as well, including GDP per capita.) The main topic that I would like to “toss around” for debate is, would Singapore’s society breakdown, would there be racial riots if not for these anti-racist speech laws? Furthermore, with these laws in place, I don’t think it’s fair to say Singapore has “racial harmony” while criticising the US. Their racists have the power to be more vocal, but what I really am concerned about is the amount of underlying racism. How people think. And that’s what I fear about Singapore — that a large percentage of our population harbour the same feelings as Fragrance Prince but are merely unable to vent them. I feel kind of ashamed that we need these laws to shut ourselves up. I would be much happier if we all got along and the laws were not necessary.
Dr Ong Leih Kit | 23-May-08 at 11:49 am | Permalink
I believe Harphoon | 22-May-08 at 2:27 pm hit a home run. When he said, we the problem isn’t detecting and even bring those offenders to account. That’s the simple part.
The real challenge is solving the matter at the level of the root.
I dont think policing and regulating either by law or any other means is not a very effective solution.
All it does it drive the discussion to another place. It doesnt eradicate the problem as it submarines it.
However, trying to solve it at root level will also be quite challenging. Although I know your gahmen does pay lip service to the whole idea of integrating the races. Much of this is not complemented by real content changes.
For example, when you Singaporeans visit us in Malaysia, very few of you even bother to speak Bahasa Melayu. You wouldnt never ever do the same in say Beijing.
Pls try to take this constructively. And just making a point of observation.
I am not saying you should all learn our language, only I find it very funny when you are a country sorrounded by large tracts of Malay speaking neighbors yet so little effort is done to promote the language.
When Darkness of the brotherhood visited some of us in Kuala Lumpur some time bfr the GE. I went to hear him talk. I expected to see a very arrogant, brash and probably another loud mouth know it all Singaporean. You all have this general attitude. I know, I studied in NUS. Besides I dont like the online persona of Darkness very much. I find he can be very obnoxious sometimes.
When I walked in I saw a very shy soft spoken chinese young man speaking in immaculate BM.
I could tell it was book learnt. As his construction sounded woody. He could not have been more than 30.
The only reason why he did so was because there was this one elderly haji who had problems understanding English. As most of the crowd there already understood BM. He switched to BM. He was obviously struggling, but what bowled me and the crowd completely over was the effort he made.
I dont remember much abt his talk, but I do recall one thing, he said.
“Govt’s are not really important if you really think abt. They just like to come across as important (laughter).
I usually leave them with my slippers and umbrella (laughter)outside the door way.
Inside, I decide. I make the choices. To understand, to learn etc (forgot)..and no one can stop me.
When you know this. You will not feel the need to protest or to even make a point in public by showing anti establishment films or (forgot). As 90% of the problems with this world has alot to do with self effacement of hippocrisy, that means the root of the problem is usually the man in the mirror…I believe this is where real change really begins. Yourself. (forgot)”
Dr Ong Leih Kit
iantimothy | 23-May-08 at 11:55 am | Permalink
Hello Dr Ong. Thanks for sharing this anecdote.
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